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Poster: jerlouvis Date: Oct 4, 2012 12:43pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Furthur at Shoreline 9/30/2012 Review

Phil and Bob should be ashamed of themselves for playing on that version of the 11.It is a level below elevator music (muzak).

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Poster: gratefuldiver Date: Oct 4, 2012 1:26pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Furthur at Shoreline 9/30/2012 Review

They really just phoned in The Eleven, didn't they? Such a disappointment! OTOH, Terrapin (which I find too formulaic and symphonic for any improvisational band) had a great, long jam more reminiscent of Playin' or HCSS. NB: I was there, so no blaming headphones...the 11 was lame.

This post was modified by gratefuldiver on 2012-10-04 20:26:24

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Poster: deadpolitics Date: Oct 4, 2012 1:45pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Furthur at Shoreline 9/30/2012 Review

I didn't think it was phoned in. I was there and though I wasn't hanging on every note, there were some nice moments. Also, I like the way they've brought the lyrics to the forefront.

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Poster: Diamondhead Date: Oct 4, 2012 3:41pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Furthur at Shoreline 9/30/2012 Review

I was there and though I wasn't hanging on every note, there were some nice moments.

That is pretty dim praise.

This post was modified by Diamondhead on 2012-10-04 22:41:19

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Poster: high flow Date: Oct 4, 2012 1:12pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Furthur at Shoreline 9/30/2012 Review

It sounds like the Viagra was bunk. The 11 was completely flaccid.

I'm sure if I was there I'd have a different perspective. I've seen DSO and JGB recently and enjoyed both....I'd probably enjoy this as well. But, like so many have said before regarding these bands....I can't really dig listening to them at home. If I want to hear The Eleven, I know exactly where to go. Why settle for less when the best is at your fingertips??

I DL'd($10) DSO's version of 5/11/72 from GAMH which I attended with JOTS(and it was a very hot show).....I don't think I've listened to all of it yet. Again always opting for the real thing.

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Poster: deadpolitics Date: Oct 4, 2012 12:57pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Furthur at Shoreline 9/30/2012 Review

Are you listening on laptop speakers? Did you listen to the St. Stephen that preceded it?

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Poster: jerlouvis Date: Oct 4, 2012 2:13pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Furthur at Shoreline 9/30/2012 Review

I am listening on 4 JBL speakers plus a sub-woofer powered through a Yamaha receiver,there is no equipment that could make that pathetic reworking of a once powerful musical statement listenable.I did not listen to the St. Stephen and can't see what that would possibly have to do with how terrible the 11 is,I find Phil and Bob lowering themselves to playing with a tribute band guitarist to be sad and can't take seriously any music made by this band.As you can see there would be little reason for us to continue this conversation since we are coming at it from such disparate viewpoints.

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Poster: deadpolitics Date: Oct 4, 2012 9:28pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Furthur at Shoreline 9/30/2012 Review

I wholly respect your opinion of the music and choice of sound equipment. Though the 11 is no match for those of 68/69, it was still an enjoyable part of the show.

I'd rather hang out with the best audience in rock and roll and listen to Phil and Bobby play live than sit at home and replay recordings from 40+ years ago. I could do that any day any hour if I wanted but getting to see/hear Phil and Bobby live is a relatively rare occurrence.

I doubt I'll be playing this concert recording in 40+ years but I'll be talking about the overall experience in the scope of my life and relationship with music.

Once again, I respect your opinion and am not arguing - just feeling the need to express my point of view, however greatly it may differ from yours.

What's your favorite version of The Eleven?

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Poster: jerlouvis Date: Oct 5, 2012 9:07am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Furthur at Shoreline 9/30/2012 Review

I usually don't post on Furthur threads because I have nothing positive to add,but I found this version of the "11" so atrocious I felt the need to point it out.I certainly don't question people going to the shows or listening back to the shows and enjoying the music,different strokes you know.I can't say that I have a favorite version of the Eleven,but here are a few I find to be top notch.
-68'-
8/23
10/12
12/29

-69'-
4/5
4/12
4/22
5/10
6/14
10/25

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Poster: gratefuldiver Date: Oct 5, 2012 3:29pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Furthur at Shoreline 9/30/2012 Review

Thanks for the list of recommendations. The Eleven is my hands-down favorite song from that era. Probably all the more reason Sunday night's interpretation was so meager.

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Poster: Hal R Date: Oct 4, 2012 9:59pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Furthur at Shoreline 9/30/2012 Review

deadpolitics, your second paragraph here nails it for me. I was at the three shows at Edgefield and had a great time. There will be a time when we will no longer be able to see or hear these guys live and feel the magic vibe of our tribe. I too get the solitary joy of listening on an excellent sound system but will also continue to go with the energy and sound of the live scene.

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Poster: ColdRain108 Date: Oct 4, 2012 1:35pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Furthur at Shoreline 9/30/2012 Review

An old deadhead friend of mine says the post Jerry stuff all sounds like this to him:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0hyExZ9Dfo

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Poster: Deadhead225 Date: Oct 4, 2012 3:15pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Furthur at Shoreline 9/30/2012 Review

Goot Gawd almighty Amen man! It IS just like that.

Last I saw them I half expected the bubbles to start floatin' up. All they were lackin' was the accordion.

Do some solo stuff and just let it go already.

The parking lot was more authentic than the show.